It's actually been nearly this long since I've owned an Apple product. Going on looks I'd go with the Apple III.

I think he just crazy enough to do it

Better jump on this quick while I have a bit of down time.

Back tracked? I stated from the beginning that there is no contemporary evidence for Jesus, the writers of his time are completely silent. If Jesus existed, he wasn't a very big deal. You keep asking for proof,which I don't have. Neither do I have proof for the nonexistence of unicorns, fairies, Djinns, Sprites,Robin Hood etc. Maybe you can define what it is that you wish to see as proof, because I'm not understanding. I have fully addressed each of your posted references, The first of which you claim to have been a trick, while the rest are nothing but the same old same old refutations to the Christ myth I have heard for the last 3 years.

While I do not believe that North Korea is bluffing, I do NOT consider them a real threat. For the love of God they can't even get a missile more than a 100 feet off of the launch pad. The only real threat they pose is to themselves. Not to mention the firepower and technology for which the United States already possesses, and has since the early 1950's. With the advent of post 9/11 intelligence I don't believe North Korea will be planning any successful surprise attack any time soon. Entering war with North Korea would be the equivalent of a high school jock picking a fight with a 5 foot skinny freshman. Let's be a little realistic here, shall we?

Im not on anyones side

Definitely a real threat. We don't need to be in another war, though, so I sure hope it doesn't come to that.

I understand. No problem. Just get back to me whenever you can.

Not done here brother, it's balls to the wall at work and I haven't had time to do much more than work and sleep....maybe this weekend I can address this issue.

Forgive me, but I've been extremely busy the last couple of weeks. I know my responses have been somewhat sporadic regarding time. I'll begin with taking issue with your very first statement.

Exactly how can the first century CE be so well documented if a great deal of the documents were destroyed by "christians"? Second, why would the "christians" be the people destroying the documents when so many of them would have proven the existence of the historical Jesus. I wish to see your so-called research because so far none of your arguments have made much of an argument except to prove how contradictory you are. Honestly, you state one thing, and then completely backtrack with the very next sentence. I have offered several citations and websites. To date you have offered exactly... ...none. You state that you have researched this particular subject for over 3 years, but as far as the evidence you can provide for such research, it leaves much less to be desired.

Your "motive" is quite apparent in your every attempt to prove one thing while showing no proof as to your own belief other than the lack of it. In fact, the only thing you've managed to prove to me is that you honestly don't know what you believe.

The first century CE is very well documented and a great deal of the documents that were destroyed were destroyed by Christians as "heretical". So we are right back where we started. There is no physical or contemporary evidence that Jesus existed. Not sure what it is that you want to see of my research. I have read many books on the subject,from both sides of the argument, listened to many debates and lectures, countless websites and shoe boxes full of little notebooks and post it notes that I will some day compile....Yeah right :~)

My "Motive" is nothing more than to question what people base their belief on. I set out to find any proof of the man depicted in the bible and have yet to find anything compelling. Were there men named "Jesus" in the first century? Probably thousands, as Yeshua/Yehoshuah was a very common Jewish name. Were there men claiming to be the messiah/king of the Jews at that time? Many. Can we select a single individual and attribute all that is said about Jesus to him? No.

As you research various aspects of this elusive character you will find that much of what is said about him had been said about others that predate Jesus, much of what he is alleged to have said had been said by others, in short, a theme begins to surface....I'm ranting and I need to get ready for work.

Your evidence presented actually proves less than nothing Donk. Much of that period was never recorded. It's of no historical or empirical proof that next to nothing was recorded concerning Jesus considering the fact that much of that age was either never recorded or has unfortunately been lost or destroyed since. Lack of evidence neither proves nor disproves Jesus' existence. I question your motive though concerning this entire thread. If you asked the question, then surely you believe you have some proof as to your point. I have offered several links and citations regarding what is believed by both historical and scientific communities to be evidence of at least the existence of the "man" Jesus. Thus far you have offered no evidence or suggestions as to the invalidity of the existence of this man, though I have asked for it at least twice. Once again I will ask for the proof of this 3+ years of research you have completed. If you have any I would like to see it. Believe me when I tell you I am a very open-minded person. I would just like to see this research you speak of, if you don't mind sharing.

For all that has been claimed for Jesus, all his miracles, his confrontations with Jewish officials,his fame "far and wide"(now being downplayed by apologists)earthquakes ,dead men walking the streets etc. etc. Not a single writer during the time of the events bothered recording any of it.

Not Philo
Not Seneca
Not Plutarch
Not Justus
Not Damis
Not Pliny the Elder......


Pliny the Younger (61-111 CE)
Suetonius(75-150CE)
Josephus (37-c.100 CE)